My Exchange with a C19 believer

I (ME) recently emailed Kirsch's million-dollar reward challenge to a group of personal friends. Some in the group believe C19 is a real thing and vaccines are lifesavers. I thought this would be a way to entice the believers to look at information they are not getting from MSM.

One (HIM) replied and we did an email exchange.

This is rather lengthy, so if your eyes start to glaze over at least peruse the information on the underreporting on VAERS and a list of experts you can use to reply to those who say ALL the experts say the vaccines are safe and effective.

This is unedited so scuze the errors please.

ME
An easy million-dollar reward for the believers, but no takers.

HIM
I am not posting this for a debate, just providing background information on Steve kirsch. That way, people canthink about the source of data they are choosing to believe in.
❏https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-valley-millionaire-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation

ME
The source of the information is the documentation in the links in the article. Attacking the messenger is not a valid argument.

The million-dollar challenge remains for anyone willing to debate the facts.

HIM
It wasn't an argument nor an attack. Just providing additional information. People are free to form whatever opinion they wish from the information.

ME
I just don't see how that relates to the facts presented in his challenge.

A personal ad hominem attack does nothing other than show the weakness of the position one is promoting. On the other hand, the history and character of the organizations making life and death decisions for people does matter.

In the early 2000s or so I remember reading in veterinary journals about a lethal bleeding disorder killing thousands of calves in Germany. It turned out that it was due to a Pfizer vaccine. Germany banned it but Pfizer continued to market it elsewhere.

The leader of that division was Dr. Bourla, a veterinarian. He rose to head Pfizer and is its leader today spearheading the covid vaccines.

He does not make me proud. Pfizer has had to pay billions of dollars in awards for killing and maiming people, not just animals, with drugs they hid the dangers of.

Profit, not health, is obviously their goal.

Back to the idea of shooting the messenger of information we don't like, even messages that may save our life.

If truth is the goal, we should not care where information comes from. We should consider it open-mindedly and weigh it against facts and reason, not dismiss it out of hand.

The messengers heading the covid cult have no standing to be bowed to like high priests. Those messengers are:

Big Pharma is the number 3 killer today. Its covid vaccines have now been proven by the CDC and their internal study documents to have killed and maimed millions around the globe--unprecedented in history.

The government promoting the vaccines is corrupt to the core and driven by money from Big Pharma. Fauci, NIH, etc. receive millions from vaccine patents--including patents for covid-19 many years BEFORE the covid-19 plandemic.

The media hyping the vaccines receives the majority of its money from Big Pharma.

The medical community pushing the vaccines is in the pocket of Big Pharma. (Modern medicine is the number one killer.) Doctors and nurses who do not toe the covid line can lose their licenses.

These are messengers that most certainly do not deserve our trust, much less placing our life in their hands. More importantly, these are messengers with a message that is without any basis in science, fact, reason, or ethics.

My response to a question on Quora encapsulates this.
❏https://www.quora.com/What-is-your-opinion-of-people-out-there-who-have-not-even-been-vaccinated/answer/Randy-Wysong

The basis for all the above is documented in the million-dollar challenge and my newsletters.

HIM
I speak for myself here. Everyone here is free to choose how they receive their information and what they to feel is right for them. I feel who is interpreting the data, how the data was gathered and in what context matters. How that person represents the data or cherry-picks data out of context matters.

I am no viral or vaccine expert, nor will I ever be. No matter how many google search articles I read, ill never come close to those that are specialized in the field. So I choose to believe the 99% of the epidemiologist out there that have specialized in the study of viruses/diseases/and vaccines and have at least 20 years of studying, researching, conducting tests, and interpreting data.

If my life depended on selecting recommendations between a brilliant Tech entrepreneur who is cherry-picking data, manipulating information out of context etc., and 99% the epidemiologist out there. I'll take my chances with the experts. I acknowledge I could be wrong, but either choice is a gamble and I had to make one for me and my family. We are all vaccinated, I am boosted and we all acted responsibly the best we could. I know it's only a matter of time that one of us will get covid because we live as normal a life as we can while do our best to follow the recommendations of CDC. So far, none have in my family have been infected with covid.

I do believe who is delivering the message is important in this case, and this is what I decided for myself.

Kirsch

"In three phone conversations, as well as dozens of emails, his responses to questions about claims in this story were imprecise or constantly changing. He told me that while he and his family got vaccinated as soon as they were eligible, he got the idea that vaccines are dangerous from a man he hired to clean his carpets, who got very sick after receiving the vaccine. Elsewhere, he has said he began questioning vaccine safety after an unnamed Twitter follower told him several family members died after getting their shots. He’s also recently increased the number of Americans he claim have been killed by the vaccine from 25,0000, to 150,000, or even “as many as 250,000” Americans."
❏CDC.gov

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 520 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through January 10, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 11,225 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.

A review of reports indicates a causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and TTS. CDC scientists have conducted detailed reviews of TTS cases and made the information available to healthcare providers and the public:
❏US Case Reports of Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis With Thrombocytopenia After Ad26.COV2.S Vaccination, March 2 to April 21, 2021
❏Case Series of Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome following COVID-19 vaccination—United States, December 2020–August 2021
❏Updates on Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS)

Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.

ME
The info on Kirsch is totally irrelevant to the merit of the facts he presents. If you think it or the information you cited is relevant, take him up on his million-dollar offer for debate.

As for all the pharm-funded experts who promote the covid scam, I can cite a thousand experts who have no financial interest who disagree. Though they can't be found on pharm-funded CNN, PBS, MSNBC, etc.

They are censored, just like truth-sayers throughout history have been because the lie cannot tolerate the light of truth or even open debate.

Here is information from the source you have chosen, the CDC.

►December 2021, according to the CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting Service (VAERS), 21,002 deaths, and 1,000,227 adverse events including serious injuries.
❏https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data,

European Eudravigalance reporting service 36,257 fatalities, and 3,244,052 injuries as of January 1, 2022, Total: 57,259 deaths and 4,244,279 adverse events including serious injuries.
❏https://eudravigilance.ema.europa.eu/human/index.asp

Less than 1% of deaths and injuries are being reported. That means the total between Vaers and Eudravigilance is more like 5,725,900 deaths and 424,427,900 adverse events including serious injuries--just for the US and EU.

►Corroborates VAERS.
❏https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355581860_COVID_vaccination_and_age-stratified_all-cause_mortality_risk

►8 ways to corroborate VAERS.
❏https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Deaths.pdf

►Good site for VAERS analysis.
❏https://i-do-not-consent.netlify.app/#featured

►Current VAERS reporting.
❏https://openvaers.com

URF-Under Reporting Factor-

University studies show that VAERS numbers represent less than 1% of the actual damage. Other proofs of underreporting:
❏https://digital.ahrq.gov/ahrq-funded-projects/electronic-support-public-health-vaccine-adverse-event-reporting-system
❏https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
❏AHRQ December 7, 2007
❏The Vaccine Reaction January 9, 2020
❏BMJ 2005;330:433
❏https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Letter-Re-First-Hand-Account-of-Covid-19-Vaccine-Injuries-and-Underreporting-to-VAERS-1.pdf
❏https://openvaers.com/images/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-20116.pdf
❏https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/whistleblower-fda-and-cdc-ignore-3e2
❏https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355581860_COVID_vaccination_and_age-stratified_all-cause_mortality_risk
❏https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Deaths.pdf

►CDC and FDA won't release urf--underreporting factor.
❏https://www.skirsch.com/covid/URF.pdf

►Must kill 117 kids for every one saved based on urf.
❏https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/what-is-the-number-needed-to-vaccinate

►How to verify for yourself the correct VAERS figures.
❏https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/how-to-verify-for-yourself-that-over

►CDC admits underreporting by a factor of 6.5X
❏https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/icymi-cdc-just-published-a-paper

This is not to mention that vaccine producers and their hired media promoters need to hide the fact that total mortality is dramatically increasing among the vaccinated, not the unvaxxed.
❏https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/excess-deaths-point-to-depopulation-agenda
❏https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/11/25/official-fda-report-finds-all-cause-death-rate-is-higher-among-the-vaccinated

►Report to FDA that VAERS is underused.
❏https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Letter-Re-First-Hand-Account-of-Covid-19-Vaccine-Injuries-and-Underreporting-to-VAERS-1.pdf

All the above information and studies show that VAERS is underreported. There is not one study anywhere that I have found that shows VAERS is overreported.

HIM
I feel like if I go through all that info you have there, I'd be heading down a rabbit hole I am not interested in nor have the time for. I'll just keep it simple and just go off what the cdc.gov site presents. I do appreciate you looking out for our health, and not only that, I thank you for it.

ME
I know you want to retire from this exchange, but what you have said needs a response, if not for you, for the rest on the list.

First off, the proof that the injections are deadly and dangerous is in the CDC's VAERS and other country's vaccine adverse event reports. Millions of deaths and injuries. My last provides proof that there is underreporting of this.

Experts supporting the covid cult either fear losing their careers if they don't go along or financially gain from the covid industry. They either directly or indirectly share in the responsibility for ruining lives and careers, and for the deaths and injuries from the vaccines and deadly medical interventions.

They cannot and should not be trusted for unbiased information. They should be criminally tried.

Experts who do not agree with the plandemic or the safety of the vaccines have no such motivations. Their interest is truth, justice, and freedom.

The two foremost experts in this field are, most certainly, the inventors of vaccine m-RNA and PCR testing technologies. One is a Nobel prize winner. Both disagree with the vaccines being safe or the tests being used to diagnose C19.

Here's a sampling of the thousands of censored doctors and experts who agree with them, make no money for doing so, and risk their careers and reputations for trying to awaken the world.

From my notes, unedited--

►Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA and DNA vaccine core platform technology advises against.
❏https://trialsitenews.com/bioethics-of-experimental-covid-vaccine-deployment-under-eua-its-time-we-stop-and-look-at-whats-going-down

►Dr. Kary Mullis, inventor of PCR test, Nobel winner, says the test used to justify pandemic and government responses is not designed to diagnose C19 disease.
❏https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDPt_y0n1q0

►Over 920,000 doctors, health care workers, etc., sign C19 opposition.
❏https://gbdeclaration.org

►Frontline doctors warn of dangers.
❏https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.org

►Dr. Mccullough, author of over a hundred sci papers says vaccine is a bioweapon.
❏https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html

►Roundtable of expert Drs.
❏https://inoneplace.com/thewatch/item/a7VKK4WS0hA1874

►List of doctors who warn against and true-life deaths from C19 vaccines.
❏https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/genocide-in-the-u-s-continues-3848-deaths-118902-injuries-following-covid-injections-children-now-being-reported-as-dying-also

►Doctors say it is a bioweapon.
❏https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/urgent-5-doctors-agree-that-covid-19-injections-are-bioweapons-and-discuss-what-to-do-about-it

►Doctors around the world warn to not get the vaccines.
❏https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/doctors-around-the-world-issue-dire-warning-do-not-get-the-covid-vaccine

►Dr. Charles Hoffe in BC warns of vaccine lethality.
❏https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=dr.%20charles%20hoffe%20&kind=video

►Dr. Ryan Cole, MD gives a scientific clarification of what these injections do in the brain and other organs and asks, "where are all the Covid-19 autopsies?"
❏https://originalrebel.net/2021/09/22/dr-ryan-cole-of-white-coat-summit-asks-where-are-the-covid-19-vaccinated-autopsies

►Doctors in Europe and elsewhere against.
❏https://doctors4covidethics.org/about

►Majority of Drs. decline shots.
❏https://aapsonline.org/majority-of-physicians-decline-covid-shots-according-to-survey

►Dr. Lindsay, molecular biologist and toxicologist, calls for immediate halt to Covid vaccine production and distribution.
❏https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/05/09/halt-covid-vaccine-prominent-scientist-tells-cdc

►Dr. Tenpenny
❏https://www.bitchute.com/video/JmNwCp5ljt0g

►Dr. Yeadon, former Pfizer executive.
❏https://www.bitchute.com/video/JNkJg07hXKI4

►Dr. Vanden-Bossche, vaccinologist.
❏https://dryburgh.com/geert-vanden-bossche-open-letter-to-who-halt-all-covid-19-mass-vaccination

►Dr. Mikovitz
❏https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/14/covid-19-vaccine-gene-therapy.aspx

►Dr. Seneff on unintended consequences.
❏https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23

►Dr. Janci Chunn Lindsay molecular biologist and toxicologist testifies to CDC to halt vaccines.
❏https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vj3xGT6izE

►Israeli scientist against the vaccines.
❏https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/top-israeli-immunologist-criticizes

►British Medical Journal--pandemic will end when people turn off screens.
❏https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068094

►List of experts.
❏https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/my-team-of-vaccine-safety-experts

►Nobel winners.
❏https://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/videos/38691/corona-the-role-of-science-in-times-of-crisis

►Dr. Roger Hodkinson says the pandemic is over.
❏https://www.bitchute.com/video/mYT7sRIRhhcn

►Australian health professionals object to pandemic narrative.
❏Covidmedicalnetwork.com

HIM
What I find weird yet interesting at the same time about us humans socially is that non experts/conspiracy theorist/cult leaders can throw out all sorts of predictions and theories created from connecting dots from cherry-pick data and/or from events, and can be wrong 99.5% of the time and only partially right once to be validated by some, but yet experts are expected to be right all the time to be validated. If the experts gets it wrong once or even partially wrong once, their advice, guidance, and/or recommendations are not valid any longer to some.

I have chosen to accept/trust the specialized doctors in the field, their experienced in research and their interpretation of information/data in regard to the virus and vaccines instead of the interpretations of data from non experts.

I am not an epidemiologist, which means I would have to spend another lifetime getting experience and educating myself for me to accurately understand all the data out there and understand which data is valid.

Not interested in a debate or argument. Just explaining my reasoning and thoughts. I acknowledge I could be wrong, but that would have been true with any choice I made in regard to this. Time will tell, or perhaps we'll never know absolutely if I was right or wrong. So far, it appears to be the right choice for me and my family.

I have said my peace and hope I have the strength to no longer talk about this. =P

ME
Since we can never judge a person's expertise with confidence, people should at least know enough to get their information from sources other than those motivated by profit,

like pharma (criminal history of killing people), gov, msm, medical, big tech.

As for the CDC, the vaccine adverse reporting system (VAERS) multiplied by about 100 is the only thing of value.

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